[thingist] the thing with facebook
cu at cucusi.de
Fri Jul 16 08:49:17 UTC 2010
sorry for joining in so late, but i was discussing things offline
Beside the fact, that there has to be an accessible archive and
documentation about THE THING, i feel one has to look after an
appropriate interpretation and contextualization. I think this is
still missing and perhaps - could be a starting point for further
activities. i would like to participate in a group working on this.
On the other hand it is just the facebook discussion, as a culmination
point of the development of the internet, which i would like to start
outside facebook - and why not on thingist. I just came across
Ionescos "Die Nashörner" and i have to read it again - might e useful.
On Jul 16, 2010, at 1:16 AM, Caspar Stracke wrote:
> oh please...you were misquoting and misunderstandig me -
> I follow the entire fb privacy debate, lastly because I am on fb which
> -as a mass communication tool- ironically has a hard time to avoid
> the grouping
> of politically active members that -among other things-
> strategically plan fb's very own demise.
> I found the two suicide sites smart, funny, but strongly agree with
> Sean Dockray they are not very effective
> and I guess since FloodNet the opposite direction, filling it up
> with noise, had always proven to be the smarter way to go.
> So, ... I cannot and will not continue a fb privacy / data profiling
> debate - but luckily there are some
> great possibilities for action, instead.
> (despite, when the new kids have figured out the jabberworking, we
> all can join the diaspora)
> Hope we can rather concentrate on thing archive efforts.
>> Caspar Stracke wrote:
>>> Re: Facebook links and interaction with social media
>>> absolutely not necessary in my opinion. A Facebook antidote?
>>> debates on privacy, I dont really understand the big fuss here. What
>>> has one to do with the other?
>>> People come to fb to giggle with (or at) their friends or -as some
>>> THING members- becoming friends with Paul the octopus. That's it.
>> i am always surprised how sanguine some people, who in many other
>> respects display some degree of critical faculty, take the facebook
>> phenomenon. during the dot com years, i somehow got on the list of a
>> focus group head hunter. he probably thought the "ceo" of thing.net
>> would be a qualified participant for focus groups that dealt with new
>> online services, technical products, advertising and these kind of
>> things. i often gladly accepted, since the groups met in the early
>> evening, not too far from the office, and included coffee and
>> and at the end of a 90 minute session an envelop stuffed with $200 in
>> cash. this is the difference, facebook doesn't give you free
>> coffee and
>> cash and behind the one-way mirror glass wall there are no human
>> marketing spooks watching you, but banks of computers registering
>> every "like" and aggregating it into mind-blowing amounts of
>> recently some web sites popped up helping facebook and other social
>> networking aficionados to "commit suicide," sites like
>> http://www.seppukoo.com/ and http://suicidemachine.org/ (btw, the
>> southpark episode is worth the download). they all were hit with
>> and desist orders from zuckerberg & co and surprisingly they all
>> complied. another indicator how media culture has changed. we
>> those fights and employed every trick in the book to keep going and
>> provide time and legal wiggle room, didn't matter whether the
>> was DOW or eToy or Mattel.
>> recently on the idc list an aricle appeared which i am reposting
>> the author of the article notes the suicide phenomenon on social
>> networks and suggest an even more effective method of resistance.
>> on and just befriend everybody and like everything, just flood the
>> system with meaningless clutter (not that it isn't full of that
>> already). so THE THING member you allude to, the one befriending
>> the oracle octopus, is doing just that. back when i was doing these
>> focus group sessions, i was almost always bored to death with the
>> products or design suggestions, so i invented answers i thought
>> might be fishing for or sometimes i just went for the opposite. it
>> a similar strategy. at least i was paid handsomely for my time.
>> ---- from iDC list --------------------------------------------
>> Sean Dockray wrote:
>> Everyone now wants to know how to remove themselves from social
>> networks. It has become absolutely clear that our relationships to
>> others are mere points in the aggregation of marketing data.
>> campaigns, the sale of commodities, the promotion of entertainment –
>> this is the outcome of our expression of likes and affinities. And at
>> what cost? The reward is obvious: we no longer have to tolerate
>> advertisements for things for which we have no interest. Instead our
>> social relations are saturated with public relations. But at least
>> it is
>> all *interesting*!
>> Unlike the old days, when we could invent online identities daily,
>> social networks today require fidelity between our physical self
>> and our
>> online self. The situation is unbearable.
>> The frightening consequence of it all is that we believe in the
>> value of
>> these networks. We understand perfectly well that our privacy is
>> renegotiated without our consent; the rules are changing in plain
>> but we still participate! It is like a new form of money, something
>> realize is a myth, but we act like it is real and that is its
>> power. We
>> can’t leave because everyone else is there! Or because we are
>> in the myth ourselves.
>> The question is how do we extract ourselves from this predicament?
>> Recently, some programmers figured out how to computationally do
>> this. By entering in your username and password, the software would
>> delete as much information as possible, ultimately removing the
>> itself. It was a radical enough idea to attract the legal attention
>> This software did not go far enough!
>> When someone disappears from Facebook, does anyone notice? Does this
>> software retroactively invalidate all of the marketing data that has
>> been collected from the account? Has this person de-dividuated
>> themselves? No, silence has not disrupted the system in the
>> Social networks need a social suicide. In the same way that
>> 99.99999% of
>> users on Facebook don’t exist within the cloistered world of one’s
>> page, an invisible user – one who has committed suicide – is simply a
>> non-factor in the constant and regular computational logic of the
>> The answer isn’t silence, but noise!
>> Suicide on a social network is a matter of introducing noise into the
>> system. It spreads viruses and misinformation. It makes things less
>> interesting for others. It disrupts the finely calibrated advertising
>> algorithms on which suggestions are made – for friends, groups,
>> institutions, ideas, and so on. Social networking captures,
>> and capitalizes on positive feedback. It records and reproduces
>> similarity. Oh yes, everyone is not watching one of three mass-
>> choices; but beneath all of the possibilities there is only one
>> The one for you!
>> A roadmap for an effective Facebook suicide should do some of the
>> following: catching as many viruses as possible; click on as many
>> buttons as possible; join as many groups as possible; request as many
>> friends as possible. Wherever there is the possibility for action,
>> it, and take it without any thought whatsoever. Become a machine for
>> clicking! Every click dissolves the virtual double that Facebook has
>> created for you. It disperses you into the digital lives of others
>> hadn’t thought of communicating with. It confuses your friends. It
>> all those parts of the world that your social network refuses to
>> with back into focus, makes it present again.
>> Invisibility comes in many forms, and on social networks it is the
>> of a radical overload of information – a maximum participation. No
>> thought, because every considered click adds to the collaborative
>> filtering algorithms that makes sure everyone continues to like what
>> they like, but in slightly modified form. Click everywhere, click
>> and don’t stop until you have disappeared beneath a flood of
>> This is a call for suicide, for the abandonment of seriousness and
>> belief. It is a call to reclaim ourselves from the sad version of
>> ourselves that lives in that bloodless village. Don’t become nothing,
>> the singular point defined by an absence, become everything, with
>> everyone else. Drown the system in data and make a new world in the
>> ruins that remain!
>> iDC — mailing list of the Institute for Distributed Creativity
>> and if you are still not clear what "the big fuss about privacy and
>> facebook" is about, here is a starter via bruce sterling:
>> ahoi mate,
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