[iDC] Can DIY education be crowdsourced?

[Anya Kamenetz]

a book I loved on the history of self-directed learning is The Ignorant
Schoolmaster...

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Phoebe Moore <pvm.doc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you George, this is why I brought up the social experiments of
> Pestalozzi and Utopia (Leonard and Gertrude, 1898). Self directed learning
> has a long history. Internet technologies are a new medium for this, but
> also think of the reflection on pedagogy and the study of andragogy,
> starting with Alexander Kapp 1803 (forgive me if someone has mentioned
> these, I've not read all following posts).....
> On 7 Sep 2011 12:47, "George Siemens" <gsiemens at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm somewhat perplexed to see this discussion ignore the entire field of
> self-directed learning. What is now flying under the DIY name has been
> extensively researched by distance (and more recently, online) educators.
> Self-directed learning is not new and it was not invented by the internet.
> Why is this existing research ignored? I could enter a rant about the power
> of renaming a concept to claim ownership, but that would likely not be very
> helpful in foster discussion.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > On 2011-09-06, at 2:20 PM, Anya Kamenetz wrote:
> >
> >> >>On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Bell <john at novomancy.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> So the question I'm left with is how to create incentives that go beyond
> status in the internal community. Can external incentives be used without
> creating the equivalent of Warcraft gold farmers? What would they be?
> >>
> >> The concept of internal vs external incentives is a very interesting one
> in this case.
> >> When you're talking about learning& scholarship, as opposed to Amazon
> reviews, you're talking about a community that extends beyond any particular
> peer group on any particular platform. Academic disciplines are global in
> scale and of relevance to humanity writ large (if they're not, then they
> deserve to wither and die). Therefore there's a very strong existing organic
> reputation based system for professional scholars: citation and peer review.
> It's not internal to any one organization, though it is internal to each
> discipline.
> >>
> >> Here's an example, via Stian Haklev on Google Reader, of a couple of
> different existing systems for representing the "score" of a particular
> academic based on their citations:
> >>
> >>
> http://blogs.plos.org/mfenner/2011/07/27/google-scholar-citations-researcher-profiles-and-why-we-need-an-open-bibliography/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+plos%2Fblogs%2Fmfenner+%28Blogs+-+Gobbledygook%29
> >>
> >> So the question would be, to what extent is it feasible to represent a
> similar type of score, based on references to their previous statements, for
> amateur scholars? That would be an interesting example of an incentive
> that's both internal and external.
> >> a
> >>
> >> ps John Hopkins writes:
> >>
> >> >>I believe that the embodied meatspace messiness of the
> >> encounter of the Self with the (unknown) Other is the baseline for any
> social
> >> learning process...A community without any f-2-f component who attempts
> this generation of relevant knowledge promulgates an increasing degree of
> deeply operating alienation...
> >>
> >> Perhaps if we were f-2-f I could understand what you're trying to say.
> >>
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