[iDC] Can DIY education be crowdsourced?

Phoebe Moore pvm.doc at gmail.com
Wed Sep 7 22:32:35 UTC 2011

Thank you George, this is why I brought up the social experiments of
Pestalozzi and Utopia (Leonard and Gertrude, 1898). Self directed learning
has a long history. Internet technologies are a new medium for this, but
also think of the reflection on pedagogy and the study of andragogy,
starting with Alexander Kapp 1803 (forgive me if someone has mentioned
these, I've not read all following posts).....
On 7 Sep 2011 12:47, "George Siemens" <gsiemens at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm somewhat perplexed to see this discussion ignore the entire field of
self-directed learning. What is now flying under the DIY name has been
extensively researched by distance (and more recently, online) educators.
Self-directed learning is not new and it was not invented by the internet.
Why is this existing research ignored? I could enter a rant about the power
of renaming a concept to claim ownership, but that would likely not be very
helpful in foster discussion.
> George
> On 2011-09-06, at 2:20 PM, Anya Kamenetz wrote:
>> >>On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Bell <john at novomancy.org> wrote:
>> So the question I'm left with is how to create incentives that go beyond
status in the internal community. Can external incentives be used without
creating the equivalent of Warcraft gold farmers? What would they be?
>> The concept of internal vs external incentives is a very interesting one
in this case.
>> When you're talking about learning& scholarship, as opposed to Amazon
reviews, you're talking about a community that extends beyond any particular
peer group on any particular platform. Academic disciplines are global in
scale and of relevance to humanity writ large (if they're not, then they
deserve to wither and die). Therefore there's a very strong existing organic
reputation based system for professional scholars: citation and peer review.
It's not internal to any one organization, though it is internal to each
>> Here's an example, via Stian Haklev on Google Reader, of a couple of
different existing systems for representing the "score" of a particular
academic based on their citations:
>> So the question would be, to what extent is it feasible to represent a
similar type of score, based on references to their previous statements, for
amateur scholars? That would be an interesting example of an incentive
that's both internal and external.
>> a
>> ps John Hopkins writes:
>> >>I believe that the embodied meatspace messiness of the
>> encounter of the Self with the (unknown) Other is the baseline for any
>> learning process...A community without any f-2-f component who attempts
this generation of relevant knowledge promulgates an increasing degree of
deeply operating alienation...
>> Perhaps if we were f-2-f I could understand what you're trying to say.
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