[iDC] <nettime> Egyptian Revolution: 2nd decolonialisation for all

sumandro sumandro at gmail.com
Sat Feb 5 04:27:47 UTC 2011


i meant that 'most' of the people who are 'on streets in cairo' and
'tweeting and claiming hashtag space' are journalists/bloggers.
and of course not that most of the people on streets in cairo are
journalists or bloggers.
and clearly did not imply that demonstrations do not matter.

sumandro

On 2/4/11 10:00 AM, "Judith Rodenbeck" <jrodenbe at sarahlawrence.edu> wrote:

"Most of" the people in Tahrir Square are NOT journalists/bloggers! And they
are communicating with hands and voices, giving the conditional lie to the
notion that demonstrations don't matter. The self-involvement of "new media"
folk is breathtaking.


On Feb 4, 2011, at 7:27 AM, sumandro wrote:

>
> Why are people on streets in Cairo are tweeting and claiming hashtag
spaces? Only because most of them are journalists/bloggers and they require
the global audience for their living? How does tweeting from the streets
change their experiences and future experiences of those streets?
>

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> "#Tahrir Square sits firmly at the intersections of inequality, revolution,
> architecture of power and urban gaming (and of course uncountable other
> idea
> and action flows).
>
> A historical site of protests of revolts, almost determined by the built
> configuration of crucial building along the edge of the square, openness of
> which simultaneously makes the protesters vulnerable to indiscriminate
> violence. The space is proceduarally generated through human action, from
> under-domination of the police of the space-eater giant, to the very symbol
> of ?liberation? and gathering ground of a million to killing ground without
> shelter to the front-line-of-battle moving to 6th Oct Bridge as
> @sharifkouddous <http://twitter.com/#%21/sharifkouddous> tweets just now.
>
> Is Hosni Mubarak a creation of that city-space with #Tahrir Square as the
> center? Can he be only defeated by moving the front line of battle to 6th
> Oct Bridge of elsewhere? But #Tahrir Square is also a procedurally
> generated
> virtual (voyeuristic? supportive? emotional?) gathering space every time
> somebody searches for the hashtag. And there are battles for hashtag spaces
> as @Jan25voices <http://twitter.com/#%21/Jan25voices> and other prominent
> occupiers of that space come under hashtagged criticism.
>
> Why are people on streets in Cairo are tweeting and claiming hashtag
> spaces?
> Only because most of them are journalists/bloggers and they require the
> global audience for their living? How does tweeting from the streets change
> their experiences and future experiences of those streets?
>
> Much of how we talk about ?spaces? and ?cities? emerged from similar days
> in
> France and elsewhere of late 1960s. How is #Tahrir Square going to change
> how we talk about contemporary world cities, and live and play in them?"
>
> more: http://popupcity.net/2011/02/hybrid-urban-games-and-tahrir-square/
>
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> > posted to nettime, but in part inspired by ulises's idc postings & almost
> > sent several times here re: that.
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> > From: David Golumbia <dgolumbia at gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: <nettime> Egyptian Revolution: 2nd decolonialisation for all
> > To: nettime-l at kein.org
> >
> >
> > i have been wanting to remark for a while on a silence is not
> > just deafening, but revelatory. it makes these lists seem like "places to
> > talk about politics so long as and only in so far as you think politics
> are
> > being radically transformed by one electronic technology or another." in
> > such a context, the fact of resistance is more important than its
> success,
> > so that we can talk about failed uprisings as revolutions.
> >
> > the members of the various lists you mention are among the smartest and
> > most
> > attentive people i know in the world. Obviously nettime, idc, aoir, etc.,
> > are not forums for discussion of world politics. Yet their transient dips
> > into such topics (like those of mass media pundints) come to seem both
> > interested and strangely quietist. "we're interested in your
> > revolution/catastrophe/big political change if it is fueled by
> > twitter/facebook/AJAX and if one government or another uses the internet
> to
> > access or block parts of the huge political conversation; otherwise,
> don't
> > care much."
> >
> > very few of the egyptian protestors appear to be using electronic devices
> > when they are protesting, even as our pundints narrate over the pictures
> > with stories about facebook transforming the political fabric.
> >
> > this is not to deny the role of various forms of social media in all
> forms
> > of political activity. it is to ask what exactly are we talking about,
> and
> > in what way do we see our discussion itself as contributing to
> contemporary
> > politics?
> >
> > DG
> > uncomputing.org
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Armin Medosch <armin at easynet.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > the silence on nettime regarding the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions
> > > is really deafening. is it that the vanguard of net-criticism has
> > > nothing to say when a genuine people's movement is rearing it's
> > > hydra-like head?
> > >
> > > justifiedly a few voices have been heard here and on IDC condemning the
> > > viewpoint that this is a #twitterrevolutuion or facebookrevolution.
> such
> > > media-centric viewpoints, as much as they are propounded by Western
> > > commentators, are old-hat indeed.
> > >
> > > It is telling that the media-centric vanguards (netcriticism,
> > > transmediale, IDC, etc.) have very little to say in this situation.
> > >
> > > The Mass Intelligence of the people of Egypt shows that there is an
> > > alternative. Although the outcome is not yet clear, and any genuine
> > > renovation of a grassroots democratic idea is bound to run into
> > > organised resistance by capitalists and religious autocrats alike,  the
> > > current example should invigorate all who are looking for genuine
> > > change. It is definitely a 'moment in history'
> > >
> > >
> > > (some of the ideas and notions put forward in this posting have been
> > > developed in collaboration with Brian Holmes in the technopolitics
> > > project)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --
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> >
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> Hi--as a long-time lurker on this somewhat scary list, I venture to offer a
> link to my blog post on visuality in the North African 'Networked
> Revolution':  http://nicholasmirzoeff.com/RTL
>
> thanks for this stimulating discussion
>
> Nicholas Mirzoeff
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> From: Judith Rodenbeck <jrodenbe at sarahlawrence.edu>
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> "Most of" the people in Tahrir Square are NOT journalists/bloggers! And
> they are communicating with hands and voices, giving the conditional lie to
> the notion that demonstrations don't matter. The self-involvement of "new
> media" folk is breathtaking.
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2011, at 7:27 AM, sumandro wrote:
>
> >
> > Why are people on streets in Cairo are tweeting and claiming hashtag
> spaces? Only because most of them are journalists/bloggers and they require
> the global audience for their living? How does tweeting from the streets
> change their experiences and future experiences of those streets?
> >
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:29:42 -0500
> From: Saul Ostrow <sostrow at cia.edu>
> Subject: Re: [iDC] <nettime> Egyptian Revolution: 2nd
>        decolonialisation for all
> To: Judith Rodenbeck <jrodenbe at sarahlawrence.edu>, idc
>        <idc at mailman.thing.net>
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> Remember Judith thisis america were you do not have to go to washing to
>  protest things like war, the threatened repeal of health care, or financial
> misconduct - you discuss it on line and act outraged in the safety of your
> home - the Eyptians, Tunsians, Iranians, the Chinese, Yeminites and
> Palestianians once they have the infra =structure will be able to do the
> same thing - what unfortunate people they are
>
>
> On 2/4/11 10:00 AM, "Judith Rodenbeck" <jrodenbe at sarahlawrence.edu> wrote:
>
> "Most of" the people in Tahrir Square are NOT journalists/bloggers! And
> they are communicating with hands and voices, giving the conditional lie to
> the notion that demonstrations don't matter. The self-involvement of "new
> media" folk is breathtaking.
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2011, at 7:27 AM, sumandro wrote:
>
> >
> > Why are people on streets in Cairo are tweeting and claiming hashtag
> spaces? Only because most of them are journalists/bloggers and they require
> the global audience for their living? How does tweeting from the streets
> change their experiences and future experiences of those streets?
> >
>
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