[iDC] Periodizing cinematic production

Stmart96 at aol.com Stmart96 at aol.com
Tue Sep 15 19:17:18 UTC 2009


 
Reading my last post  I thought it did not make sense.   I  meant to say  
that becoming autobiographical as John did when he sent us to  his web pages  
is something that is a potentiality behind or  underneath  our theorizing   
and letting  out the  autobiographical in certain performed ways  seems 
really interesting and  revealing  and  attuned with  digital networking.    
However in my former post I said the psyche is no longer personal  and I  
would say that of the  autobiographical as well.  So  this swerve  to the 
autobiographical now  is part of what needs to be thought  about  and 'acted out' 
in a variety of ways.   Finally I  meant to say that sometimes  our swerve 
to theorizing  (when   theorizing everything neatly away)  is a defense 
against the  autobiographical    Sometimes that is  necessary.    thanks for you 
patience   Patricia 
 
 
In a message dated 9/15/2009 8:52:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Stmart96 at aol.com writes:

 
Thanks  you Jonathan   I think the differing between   Jonathan and John  
is especially interesting for the  autobio swerve  offered by John.   It is 
the drive to do  so that I think informs  theory/writing/speaking. It is what 
they  are all  about or at often times about.  Our   networked digitizing  
is an intense expression of  this  even  in its failure  I meant to say in 
my post that sometimes   the  swerve to the criticism of capitalism  seems   
defensive   unable to speak autographically  even if it  is necessary to 
theorize  capitalism. And I fell even more the  necessity to theorize  
capitalist governance simply because  it  informs  more  in the way we swerve from 
the autographic to the  theoretical to the critical.   Patricia     
 
In a message dated 9/13/2009 9:53:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jbeller at pratt.edu writes:

Hi  all, forgive me for clogging your in-boxes. Luckily, the teaching week  
begins soon so we'll all get a break.   


For the record, what I wrote was the following:


"Goux's work delineates the homologous structures of psychoanalysis and  
political economy. However, for all of its undeniable brilliance, it lacks a  
materialist theory of mediation. Goux lacks an answer to the question 'how  
do you get capitalism into the psyche, and how do you get the psyche into  
capital.?' They are isomorphic, but why"(CMP, 25)?


So my immediate question, was in fact, following Patricia, how does  "he" 
do it, not how does this isomorphism come about.



 
 
 
 
"Goux argues that 'the affective mode of  exchange,' meaning the symbolic, 
is a function of 'the dominant mode of  exchange,' meaning capital. While 
Goux's statement is accurate, what is left  out is that it requires the 
history of twentieth-century visuality to make  it so. The twentieth century is 
the cinematic century, in which capital  aspires to the image and the image 
corrodes traditional language function  and creates the conceptual 
conformation, that is the very form, of the  psyche as limned by psychoanalysis" (25). 
The cinematic image as  paradigmatic mediator between these two orders of 
production (political  economy and the psycho-symbolic) better describes the 
historically  necessary, mutual articulation of consciousness and capital 
expansion than  does Goux's provocative but too-abstract idea of the 
'socio-genetic process'  in which social forms mysteriously influence one another or 
take on  analogical similarities. Goux's theory of mediations itself lacks a 
general  theory of mediation. It is only by tracing the trajectory of the 
capitalized  image and the introjection of its logic into the sensorium that 
we may  observe the full consequences of the dominant mode of production  
(assembly-line capitalism) becoming the dominant mode of representation  
(cinema). Cinema implies the tendency toward the automation of the 'subject'  by 
the laws of exchange" (25-26).




And of course, the rest of the argument is that  this itself a new mode of 
production, with the consequent transformations of  language, affect, the 
subject, the human, hermeneutics, depth, time, etc.  The visual turn is a 
cypher for all this.


Ok, gtg. Thanks for your comment Patricia -- I  want to think more about it.


Best,
Jon









Jonathan Beller
Professor 
Humanities and Media Studies
and Critical and Visual Studies
Pratt Institute
_jbeller at pratt.edu_ (mailto:jbeller at pratt.edu) 
718-636-3573 fax
















On Sep 13, 2009, at 1:44 PM, _Stmart96 at aol.com_ (mailto:Stmart96 at aol.com)  
wrote:



 
I too have found the discussion  stimulating, although hard to  find the 
time-space in which to speak or speak-up.  Thanks to John  Sobol for  an 
invite to mix it up.  I too am more than a  technological determinist  or rather 
less one  than a lover.  No more or less than human beings, the technical 
object  as  Gilbert Simondon would call it, is an invention  an individuation  
that has granted ongoing ontogenesis by also creating a milieu of self  
determination (or further indetermination) so let it continue to grant and  be 
loved .    While technology differs from the technical  object  along the 
lines John Sobel suggests  below,  that  is,  the potential is perhaps 
captured in technology, but  still or even so, it is the domain of the technical 
object modulating what  John refers to as "the head of the curve" as well as  
the fun and  love of the kids.   So  I am presently teaching a  graduate 
course on Freud and Deleuze and felt shocked at Jonathan (whose  work is much 
appreciated by me) when he asked  "How do  you get capitalism into the 
psyche, and how do you get the psyche into  capital?"   I assume what is meant 
here  is: How do "they" do that?   I was shocked because I thought  that 
different technologies  are emanations of  a dynamic ground  where  the 
potentialities can inform or invent different  relations for psyche and technology, 
psyche and energy or  force  and thus force, energy and the market , 
capitalist   governance, work labor sex etc.  With this assumption I would  say,  
there is no 'in' of psyche   Perhaps there never was  (Derrida says so  but so 
does Deleuze  who does a really  interesting theft of Freud's work) but more 
important   there is no 'in'  of the psyche (or not only an 'in' ) now  in  
relationship to the digital,  the emergent in relationship to  the digital. 
 Psyche (its presently rethought energies and  forces) has escaped  the 
individual,  has dropped back down  through the pre-individual to ground or in
-formation as  a material force  an ontogenetic force. This is an ontology 
for  affect and affect economies, among them capitalism. This  points I  think 
away  from the cognitive-ism or consciousness (albeit  unconsciousness) of 
Jonathan's question and  sends  his  own  focus on "attention"  or the labor 
of  attention toward the body and to the transformation of the  
body-as-organism  to a full body of desiring.   One reason  I love the digital is that 
is makes all of this seemingly abstract  stuff  so-not-abstract  but  
accessible when we allow  it to shift  criticism away  from the given-ness of a  
capitalist  logic  that always knows what's coming  next  and seeks to show 
how it will be our fault that it did. Instead a way  is offered to respect  
the temporalities  at  play,  which are put in play often by capital (perhaps 
not  often capitalism or capitalist governance).  The life-itself  that 
digital has enabled and which shows up in discourse about biopolitics  and 
necropolitics  is  not easy to capture without  producing  the fringe of 
indeterminacy that is life-y.  Even in  this awful times of war and terrorism 
torture poverty and death, the  life-y at least is good news  and asks us to pay 
more  attention to measuring  or capturing and its politics  which is  
non-organic and surely non-human as well as human.   Well this  is only a start 
for me     More to  come    Patricia  Clough.   


In a message dated 9/12/2009 6:21:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_john at johnsobol.com_ (mailto:john at johnsobol.com)  writes:



This has been - as usual here on iDC - a highly stimulating  discussion. I 
hope my contribution contributes to its quality, though it  does come at 
this question from quite a different  perspective. 


I wish to return us to the outset of this thread, wherein Brian  quoted 
Jonathan thusly:



"How do you get capitalism into the psyche, and how  do you get the psyche 
into capital?" asks the philosopher Jean-Joseph  Goux. Drawing on key 
insights from Gramsci, Simmel and Benjamin -- and  radicalizing the work of film 
critic Christian Metz in the process --  Jonathan Beller gives this quite 
astonishing reply:


"Materially speaking, industrialization enters the  visual as follows: 
Early cinematic montage extended the logic of the  assembly line (the sequencing 
of discreet, programmatic  machine-orchestrated human operations) to the 
sensorium and brought the  industrial revolution to the eye.... It is only by 
tracing the  trajectory of the capitalized image and the introjection of its 
logic  into the sensorium that we may observe the full consequences of the  
dominant mode of production (assembly-line capitalism) becoming 'the  
dominant mode of representation' (cinema). Cinema implies the tendency  toward 
the automation of the subject by the laws of exchange....  Understood as a 
precursor to television, computing, email, and the World  Wide Web, cinema can 
be seen as part of an emerging cybernetic complex,  which, from the 
standpoint of an emergent global labor force, functions  as a technology for the 
capture and redirection of global labor's  revolutionary social agency and 
potentiality."


I  will begin by saying that I do not believe that this historical  
trajectory gets to the heart of the matter. Valuable as it is in certain  respects 
in shedding light on our evolving world, I nonetheless believe  that it is a 
heuristic model that seems to fit the facts, yet elides  them. I will do my 
best to explain why I think this. 


I have not read your book, Jonathan, so if I am  way off the mark in my 
interpretation of your words than that will be my  fault. But it sounds to me 
like a causal relationship is being  established in the above analysis, 
between cinema's evolution as a  global cultural force and the parallel advance 
of certain socially  prescriptive aspects of modern and post-modern 
industrial capitalism.  The cybernetic loop you describe suggests that cinema and 
capitalism are  engaged in a form of dance, impelled, once begun, by the 
alarmingly  potent logic of "assembly-line capitalism", that  incriminates cinema 
as both agent and victim. Certainly  cinema, (and cineastes) in your 
analysis appear as not just  one of these two things, but as both.


With regard to the question of causality, I am  unconvinced that cinema's 
economic or epistemological architectures – as  opposed to its narrative 
themes or stylistic vagaries – played such a  fundamental causal role in the 
unfolding of the social dynamics of  "assembly-line  capitalism". The  reason I 
think this is that I also reject, at a more basic level, the  argument that 
'industrialism enters the visual via cinema' at all. In  fact I think this 
articulation entirely misses the essential  relationship between 
industrialism and the visual.


The key to this relationship is the  understanding that industrialism is 
the more-or-less direct result  of increased literacy. It is of the eye, and 
it largely replaced the  experiential techne of the ear that preceded it, 
just as literate  capitalism replaced the economies of the ear that preceded 
it). As  simplistic as this sounds, it is, in my opinion, accurate and  
fundamental. It is no accident that Scotland in the 18th century had the  world's 
highest literacy rate and was also the world's industrial  incubator. It is 
no accident that the popularization of literacy in  Britain coincided with 
its imperial rise. Nor is it an accident that the  peak in world literacy 
today coincides with the death of most of the  world's oral languages. The 
industrial age is a visual age. It is the  triumphant age of text, in which 
reading and writing come to rule the  world through their manifold 
representations in maps, constitutions,  lawbooks, forms, contracts, ledgers, deeds - 
and, of course -  blueprints, patents, technical specifications, reports, 
schemata,  manuals and the myriad textual tools that enabled  industrialization 
(i.e. the raster grid that Sean rightly indicates  is so historically 
definitive), as well as their resulting man-made  mechanical universe. And here I 
seem to hear the familiar "pshaw, this  is determinist claptrap" (though not 
perhaps from your lips,  reader), to which I reply: just take writing out of 
the equation and see  what degree of industrialism you are left with. Try 
it and see.  There is nothing left. Without the widespread dissemination of 
literacy,  industrialism crumbles utterly.


Cinema, seen in this light, is a mere actor in  the larger drama that is 
literate culture's struggle to achieve global  hegemony, and is not the 
primary cause of anything, except perhaps an  infinity of shared dreams (no small 
thing, I admit). It is just one of  many monological industrial media shaped 
by the technical and psychic  architectures of print. Just as television 
would become as well.  Neither is anything but a talking book from my 
perspective. And so to  answer Goux's question: you get capitalism into the psyche 
via the  printing press, you get it via the rigid, powerful, monological  
imperatives of print. As with industrialism, extract print from the  evolution 
of capitalism and nothing at all remains, not even a trace. I  don't even 
talk about capitalism myself, only of literate capitalism,  for capitalism is 
epistemologically indistinguishable from literacy.  (Though strangely, so in 
many respects is Soviet socialism).


The second part of your paragraph, Jonathan, is  important too.  


Understood as a precursor to television,  computing, email, and the World 
Wide Web, cinema can be seen as part of  an emerging cybernetic complex, 
which, from the standpoint of an  emergent global labor force, functions as a 
technology for the capture  and redirection of global labor's revolutionary 
social agency and  potentiality."


As I  have mentioned, I do not think that cinema and television are more 
than  accidental precursors to computing, email and the World Wide Web. (Kind  
of the way Gil Scott-Heron seems to be the godfather of rap, whereas his  
work is not directly related at all, only indirectly.) And as I see it  there 
are two cybernetic complexes in effect here anyway; one hegemonic,  one 
emergent; one literate and one digital. Each of these two looped  universes is 
indigenously highly distinct from the other, yet bright  minds with vast 
resources are desperately trying to colonize the  emergent one on behalf of the 
ruling one, with some success. And of  course defending the fort – and 
actively taking the battle to these  hungry entrepreneurs – are revolutionaries 
of all shapes and sizes, your  friends and mine, seeking to counteract this 
unfeeling assault with art,  autonomy, activism and more. Much more.


However, what matters is not necessarily how  successful we and our 
idealistic friends turn out to be. What seems to  matter most is the march of time, 
and technology. When Negativland  pioneered its remix work it caused 
outrage and conflict. With the  passage of time, however, the mashup has become a 
staple of everyday  life. Not because Negativland (or John Oswald or Bryan 
Gysin for that  matter) 'won' but rather because they turned out to be doing 
stuff ahead  of the curve. It was not a case of the good guys winning due to 
hard  work, the righteousness of their  message and the political  
maturation of 'the people'. It just turned out that when the tools  advanced enough 
to make it easy and fun for kids to do, kids did it. And  that's basically 
all that revolution took to succeed. And soon the kids  will grow up. Lots 
already have.


In this sense I am an unrepentant technological  determinist. Not that I 
think, for example, that the transition to  post-literate capitalism is a 
given. On the contrary, I expect things to  get more and more dangerous and 
bloody and I am not happy about that at  all, as the evolutionary conflict 
between the efficient and the  hyperefficient gains demographic momentum. So 
there is in fact an urgent  need for leadership, and by this I mean 
intercultural leadership that  constructively bridges the emergent and hegemonic 
cybernetic  loops  in the pursuit of sustainable and judicious  compromises (to say 
nothing of also reaching out and inviting into  the dialogue the colonized 
oral peoples of the world who have a crucial  role to play here, 
particularly in helping to stave off literate  capitalism's imminent ecocide.) 
Antagonizing the corporate world for the  sake of personal catharsis is fun and all, 
and I have done it plenty in  my art, aimed at 'bad guys' who couldn't have 
cared less, but more  useful I now believe is an engagement that respects 
and enlightens,  rather than unmasking villainous archetypes in (our) 
everyday life.  There just too many of us. :)


Literacy too has certainly functioned "as a  technology for the capture and 
redirection of global labor's  revolutionary social agency and 
potentiality." Except when it wasn't. Except when  it was something else. For it has 
also made possible wondrous and wonderful  achievements (for some – the many 
and/or the few). Drawing hard and fast  boundaries between this or that idea, 
this or that system, this or that  morality, is a favourite literate game. 
But I think it has served its  purpose. Let's mix things up a little more, 
focusing on what we have in  common rather than where we differ; trying to 
find a way forward that  balances the benefits that each cybernetic vortex can 
offer while also  seeking to offset its ill effects. And then look to the 
kids to make it  happen.


That  sounds to me like a truly revolutionary program.


(All of the above offered with the utmost  respect for the pleasure and 
privilege of this conversation and  hopefully not sounding as bitchy as I 
sometimes feel...)


Thanks for listening,
John Sobol


_www.johnsobol.com_ (http://www.johnsobol.com/) 

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