[iDC] please make comments regarding semantic overlay term

Sandy Klausner klausner at coretalk.net
Mon Mar 17 13:20:48 UTC 2008


Alexis,

The principle issue is one of evolutionary vs. revolutionary. Can the  
W3C recommendations "polish" gracefully to meet demanding semantic  
infrastructure requirements or will a fundamental new technology base  
replace this legacy?

Sandy


On Mar 17, 2008, at 5:49 AM, subbies at redheadedstepchild.org wrote:

It seems to me that what you are decrying has less to do with the fact
that the standards are immature and more to do with the fact that
Artificial Intelligence is immature.  Semantic standards are not  
designed
to aid humans in understanding the data that passes across the web -  
they
are designed to assist machines in parsing the data and delivering it to
humans.  All things considered, this is still a relatively new problem
and is therefore not polished.  I don't find there to be anything
surprising or even disappointing about this.  You might as well tell us
the sky is blue.
-Alexis

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Paul Prueitt wrote:

::Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:43:48 -0500
::From: Paul Prueitt <psp at ontologystream.com>
::To: Sandy Klausner <klausner at coretalk.net>, idc at mailman.thing.net
::Cc: susan.turnbull at gsa.gov
::Subject: [iDC] please make comments regarding semantic overlay term
::
::
::Claimed as a fact:  The W3C standards have foundational errors which
::will not support knowledge sharing beyond a certain point.
::
::
::Comments:   Many people know this, but the claims of the W3C folks is
::as authorities and the authority of the claims have been so strong
::that no breakthrough in semantic interface will occur, using that
::paradigm.
::
::For example. Radar Networks uses the W3C RDF and OWL to create meta
::tagging, and social networking.  However, the RDF triple is simply
::not "expressive" of a large part of the communication that passes in
::regular discourse.
::
::This division between topic map camps and RDF camps has a long and
::interesting history, with the authority figures like those at
::Sanford, pretending that there never has been any issue worth
::discussion.
::
::This having been said (again), the RDF foundation to meta-tagging
::seen in Radar Networks will be very successful in the market, until
::it is realized that the effort and the underlying capability will
::fail to meet promises.  Ultimately, the market will see that, yet one
::more time, that industry has duped the public.  So be it, this is the
::nature of our social reality, now.  This reality may change at one
::point and many many scientists and on lookers pray that this is
::sooner, rather than later.
::
::This statement, my statement, is not a philosophical one but one
::based in science and scholarly literatures outside of IT.
::
::
::
::Paul Prueitt
::
::
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